IMO if the character has some speaking role (more important than random NPC, I mean) then creating a page for them is fine, especially if they seem like a character that will become important in the future, since they'll probably get named at some point anyway, but you can wait till they're named (either in the manga or fanbooks), I leave it to you. If the characters are there just... to be there, to show that other characters don't live alone, is there a point? I like the "nameless characters" page idea actually.
Hello Nati :) how are you ? I'm just leaving a message here to apologize for creating more work for you here when you're already so busy (please don't neglect your heath/sleep ^^'). I'm sincerely sorry about that. I was supposed to take care of the things you couldn't do but got myself caught up in uni work - -
Fortunately now we won't be the only admins left, it should help. Thanks for still coming here, I'm glad to know I'll meet you gain on this wiki :)
Hello!! :D Nice to see you back! I'm fine, thank you~ still trying to get used to not having much time whoops, and it's even worse now that uni started again. What about you? Hope it gets better ;; It's okay, no need to be sorry! Take care of the important stuff first! I also have to apologize though, I was supposed to check the wiki every now and then and I almost completely neglected it, unnecessarily burdening you even more... I'm sorry.
I agree, hope to see the wiki reborn~ Thank you and good luck as well!
Hello! I'm Isaac, and I'm representing Wikia's Vanguard and Community Technical teams. We help communities adopt to new technologies and features, like content portability. We've identified Magi Wiki as a high priority for introducing the Portable Infobox tool, which has a lot of benefits for your community. Rather than get into all of the metrics and numbers (though I can present some of those if you're interested), I'll keep it simple. I'd like to reproduce as much as possible the look and feel of your desktop infoboxes in global CSS, and work to update the Infobox templates themselves so that they can be accessible on any current and future platform. Maintaining them if you want to make changes should be very simple.
I know that Pinkachu reached out to your admins about a year ago. A lot has changed in the Wikia landscape since then, but we'd still like to get you on board. Your infoboxes should look identical on desktop, but the code underneath should be even easier to manage and edit.
If I can do this successfully for some of your most commonly used Infoboxes and present some proof of concept, can we work together to do all of them? We'd really like to get working on your community, but we would appreciate your go-ahead. Also, if you have any questions, or this is the wrong venue for this kind of a discussion, please let me know. Thanks!
Hey, there. It's been a while. I notice you haven't logged in since I posted this a few weeks ago. I'm going to start the conversion effort, and if you come back within the next couple weeks, we can talk about the results. Thanks!
I did that. The point was to improve on the visuals of the navigation boxes (honestly, bright green and bright blue boxes didn't really look all that good), and I added some additional information to the boxes, allowing you to also jump onto the chapters, episodes and fights of previous and next arcs, by clicking on the respective arrows left and right.
If the color is such a problem, I can change it. I'm pretty adept at writing code. However, I'm not sure if you knew, but before I started with this, the initial arcs like Dungeon, Kouga, etc.. up to I think Alma Torran were blue/green, while the rest up to Final arc were grey. I decided to unify them all to the same style and color.
Why didn't you ask the Admin first before changing things in the template's design? I don't remember much, but I remember Natichan wanting to add color for the templates and Manikworld agreed with her. It may be she was busy and didn't convert every navigator to color.
These colors were different from even before I joined this Wiki, which was several months ago.
NatiChan's not really active anymore, she appears once a month or even less. ManikWorld hasn't been around for even longer. I see that, because I'm on here every day and make edits every day. I'm trying to move things along. DancingFairy is an administrator as well, we can ask for her opinion, and that should be sufficient, rather than waiting months to get opinion from another administrator that might not come back anymore.
This is an issue from long ago but to clear it up, then one to change templates out of blue was Manik. We just... followed his idea when creating templates after that. I didn't have time to play with all of them before so unifying them is actually a big help, thanks, Mell!
Perhaps Taka might have confused it with chara infoboxes instead? Anyway, it's always better to check with others when in doubt. Thanks for your hard work as always!
Oh the character boxes should be in color but the navigator boxes are in grey. Sorry Mel and Natichan, I didn't remember things well. The point is I wanted to check with an Admin just in case whenever templates' aesthetic is involved. I didn't want to make it a big fuss.
As a part of my vision for this wiki and a started project, I've edited the Night 1 page, providing a short, as well as a long summary of the chapter. Takashichea pointed out to me, that I should perhaps bring this up to you, as such an edit is affecting the overall structure of the chapter pages, as well as takes a long while to write. You can read what he wrote to me on UltraUgo's page (he confused UltraUgo with me), and my reply to Takashichea on his wall.
I would appreciate it, if you could tell me, whether it is alright for me to continue doing what I've started, or if the changes should be reverted at once. My initial plan and intention was to increase the quality of this wiki, and I will be striving towards it; but I would still not want to devote my time to something that will end being unnecessary.
Transferred my conversations. I hope we get more feedback from the other veteran wiki editors in this Wikia. This is a bit too big for us to handle.
I honestly we shouldn't pursue this format for the manga chapters as the only main chapter writer currently would me and you. I don't think I want to rewrite people's hard work just to make 2 separate summaries. If you are referring to other Wikias that does this like Fairy Tail Wikia, it's because they can afford due to the manpower. We don't have that in Magi Wikia. Most people care about the character pages.
Plus, this tends to burn out wiki editors as I seen in Sket Dance, Btooom, Anime Vice, Arcana Famiglia, and more. My wiki editing specialty is episode and chapter summaries. I don't write character pages. I do know the appeal of two summaries, but I do know the flaws of it. It's probably best for episodes than chapter pages.
Luckily, people's hard work would still remain in the short summaries; when I was editing the page on Night 1, I only wrote the long summary, while merely editing the grammar errors in the shorter one. I believe that we will eventually have to go through all of the currently written summaries anyway, to clear those errors.
I wouldn't mind for us to focus on writing only the short summaries for all of the chapters first, and if we ever get far enough, adding the long ones (they have some distinctive advantages, after all) could be a good idea. But, I would still like us to discuss the current layout of the chapter pages. The infobox is missing a few information, though I couldn't do anything about that, because it is locked. Fights were not added to the chapters, while I think they should be. And the most important thing: I believe a summary (whether it's a single one, or we decide for this format of short and long summaries), should definitely be above the characters appearing in the chapter, fights and magic.
That's just an aesthetic thing. Magi Wikia doesn't need to copy other Wikias. I have been to other Wikias. I never suggested people change the location of one section over the another. I adapted to their rules. If Magi Wikia likes putting the summaries below the list of characters and another Wikia does it the opposite, so be it.
I don't really see the advantages between a long and short summary. Some people prefer short while some prefer long. When ManikWorld was the Admin, he didn't mind me writing short summaries because I was busy for the episodes. I told him that I was glad Magi Wikia wasn't as strict as some Wikias where they require folks to write long summaries of a word count limit or paragraph limit. I was writing long episode summaries for both this Wikia and Anime Vice, but I find myself doing shorter because it's time saving on my end.
It's just an aesthetic thing. You know why I said character pages seem important because most fans read those. That's why episode and chapter summary pages are kept short because our resources are spent in the character pages as those are main attractions.
It's not just aesthetic. I believe it makes sense for the crucial information to be on top, and that is the summary of the chapter. Who appeared in it and what magic was used (as well as fights), is just supplementary information, and shouldn't be the main focus on the top of the page.
Also, you're saying that our resources go towards character pages, but I've been on this wiki for a while, and I don't see many big edits done on character pages, despite the fact that there's a lot of information missing (particularly when it comes to newer arcs). I'm watching RecentChanges special page, and I rarely see people editing the wiki in the first place, and when they do, it's just minor, cosmetic changes.
I don't mind focusing on shorter summaries (as they are still many chapters that are missing them), but I would like to at least keep the possibility of the long ones being included, open. If I have the time to write a longer summary of a chapter, and include in on the page, that's additional, detailed information that is making this wikia better, not because I'd like to compete with other wikias, but because I want to devote my time and effort to this one and improve it.
Also, I understand your reluctance to change, but change is often the reason things keep moving forwards. Rather than accept things for how they always were and stick to them, it's better to consider them in detail and see whether proposed changes would be better. In the case of the chapter page layout, I believe a change is not simply aesthetic - there is a reason why other wikias have it this way. The summary is the center of those articles and thus shouldn't be situated at the end, after all the other information that isn't that important.
Also, perhaps we could take this discussion elsewhere. If you have Discord, you can add me there: Mellan#5717
No, I'm waiting for Natichan's word. Whatever she says, I'll abide by her. I'm sharing my thoughts and experiences because this goal of yours is too much. I seen new wiki editors like yourself propose great changes. I don't want to be cynical, but I have seen this so many times in the Wikias I have work at. People proposed this, they work on it. They quit. I learn to distinguish between a long term editor and a short term editor. I'm not doubting your abilities. I'm stating these "changes" are going to burn you out.
I'm going to continue adding chapter summaries, short or long depending on the content. I believe we shouldn't be restricted or do what other Wikias do. A short summary isn't bad like you described in your goals. It's just a subjective preference. For those who prefer short, they don't have time to read walls of text. People use chapter pages as references for the character pages.
If I had to share my opinion, I would agree with Taka (if it's alright with you I'll keep calling you this way, writing your full name is complicated sometimes ^^) to stick to short summaries, because, like he said, it is true that it's way too much work and that we don't have enough people writing paragraphs on the wiki. Plot is more detailed on characters pages, which are more popular, indeed.
However, since Mell put such hard work on Night 1's summary, I suggest we make an exception just this time for Night 1, because it's the very first chapter. I was thinking that if new people, not knowing the manga, were curious about Magi and wanted to take a look, they might read Night 1's page and it would be good for it to be detailed..
About the pages' layout, I agree it seems more logical to have magic and fights after the summary, but characters before. With that said, I still think there may be other things on the wiki that are more of a priority, like updating characters pages and such.
I'm fine with changing the summary location. I used to write with formats on that on different Wikias before. I'm pretty indifferent with the locations. Whatever, Dancing Fairy or NatiChan prefer, I work with that.
Oh yeah, you call me Taka. I put my nickname and my first name, my real name for anyone who wants to call me.
Hello! Can i add new pages for the latest chapters? The contributors stops in Night 294: The Leftover assets and i want to add Night 295 up to Night 297. If that's alright for you and thank you very much :)
Shouldn't you ask Dancing Fairy since our teammate usually adds based on the current chapter being subbed not what's out in RAW. Those chapters are still in raw form. It's not a rush to get pages added or updated.
Sorry for the late reply, I was trying to help Saluja Alibaba with images. Took a bit longer since I no longer have references to who appears in what episode and does what type of role anymore due to loss of my old community site.
You are just adding pages, right? Just a infobox, a clean, hi res scan. Most raws don't have good image quality. Dancing Fairy has a skill for that. If it's summaries, go ahead. Just be wary that if you upload scans, you got to check in with Dancing Fairy so you won't cause extra work for the person to fix.
A heads up, Sinbad's pictures are added from Urasunday website, they come clean already and I'm guessing this is still Dancing Fairy's source. As for Magi, we have a no-spoilers-till-English-scans-come-out rule and then we add info based on Sense's translations so while creating a page itself isn't really wrong, usually everything differs a bit and it has to be updated, so... isn't it a bit redundant? Just my two cents.