Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29818919-20161012170921/@comment-6532078-20161014235517

I wasn't going to write a throughout reply now because a) I'm so poor at time management that I don't have time for it, I'm sorry (I won't comment about this issue beyond this but good luck in the future! I fear the day when you learn that even with the best time management you only have 3 hours a day and have to finish work, studies, chores and meet people at the same time. Seriously, good luck!) b) I'm too annoyed to be thinking straight and I'm really sorry for not even trying to be professional anymore

but it turned out into a longass rant and I'm very sorry for the third time.

Moving history section alone has little sense because for the most articles, it's just a few sentences long. Moving story arcs is something we've been discussing long ago and decided not to at that time but since the articles got even longer, that's something I would easily support. It'd make everyone's life easier. Relationships? Depends on the length as well since most are just too short to bother. It wouldn't look good on its own. And that's the majority of the articles. So I guess I'm pretty much on the same page with Mell here.

Thank you again for your input, Vely!

The "not passing the adminship to anyone else" thing is, I'm sorry to call it like this, a bullshit from my perspective. First of all, to WHOM? And second, how? You pointed out at least one thousand times I don't have rights to do so. I was the only active admin, the only active editor for a long time. When someone willing to take up the role appeared, I could only support them when they applied to wikia staff. And guess what. Only one person stayed for long enough and made big contributions to the wiki since then. Dancing Fairy. Fill out the rest.

I've been told before that since I combined all of your points in my previous reply it looked like I misunderstood what you meant before but I wonder if you even read each other replies in the first place. One of you talks about needing a leadership and the other says that you need admins definitely not for leaderships. What. I'm lost here.

As for the coding, as someone who worked as an admin for a long time, I definitely understand the importance of it. I tried to do what I could myself but I'm not a programmer and I couldn't afford devoting my whole free time to learning how to code from the basics. It's true that on the big wikis there's no need to put emphasis on it because it's updated daily! Behind the scenes! Here too, I was trying to do what I could but as I said, I'm definitely lacking in skills and my knowledge is very limited. We really are in a need of someone who knows that stuff and could devote their time mostly to that behind-the-scenes yet extremely important thing. It's not even the matter of visual presentation but mostly how the templates and stuff actually works. Most of our current templates wouldn't work at all without tweaking MediaWiki pages.

But you know, there was never such a person on the wiki. And obviously nothing could be done about it. We were always a very small community. Even in the most active period (the airing of the first season; most of people never returned after it ended). So people here relied on tested and trusted methods to work out the templates and majority only bothered with adding info which is... well, the most important thing on the wiki anyway.

I have to agree with Mell here - if we want a full time coder, we HAVE TO promote them to an admin. It's not a matter of locking and unlocking the pages because the most vital pages to every coder are limited to admins only and we can't change this fact. It's actually a good thing imo exactly because they are so vital. Imagine unlocking them, even by accident, and some vandal appearing. We'd be in a very big trouble. I also agree about the mobile support... while not everything needs to be redone (unless someone has enough time on them) but I realized how terrible it was when I tried to read this thread from mobile earlier. I gave up before I finished Vely's reply tbh.

Oh the manual of styles, something that's been sitting on my drafts for years... yeah, we really REALLY need it. Now, coughs, about "we shouldn't stick to what Natichan prefers." Look, I'm sorry if I sound too offended but here I am. It's not SOMETHING THAT I PREFER. It wasn't a decision I made alone! Heck, if I were to decide alone, I'd have done so many things differently. But it was something we discussed, shared our opinions about and after some trial periods where we discussed even more and reported bugs and dislikes, we settled on how things are right now. You weren't around and I don't blame you for thinking that way. But I don't like how you made me into someone who terrorizes you into doing what I think is right. You don't know me, alright, but even so, I thought I made myself clear before that to me, the most important thing about running wiki is a cooperation with others. I find it ironic, Brandon, that you're telling Taka to go back and read your previous posts when you're clearly the one not understanding what Taka is saying. Checking with admins doesn't mean that their opinion is the only Correct One. He means that making decisions and taking actions on your own is bad because the admins are supposed to carry the opinion of the WHOLE community. It's like. Having a knowledge of everyone's opinions and decisions we made together and making sure others - especially new, inexperienced editors - learn the rules. Everyone's opinions are taken into consideration. You don't need an admin status to contribute. You are given the status because you contribute.

From my understanding you think that, we, the "senior members", are in your way to make the wiki better thus we're antagonists. It's not true at all. It's because we were here for so long we want the best for it, because it's so dear to us. Something that shouldn't even be an issue made both new and old editors annoyed. But looks like the fundamental problem is our differences in thinking what we expect an admin to be. I don't really see why Taka should apologize for having his own beliefs. It goes for you, our new editors, as well. Your points are as valid and sorry if anything made you think otherwise.

To sum up before I embarrass myself further: I believe we need at most two active admins. One coder and one all-rounder who takes care of cleanup because, believe it or not, it is the most important job of an admin. Really. Cleaning up after vandals, reediting new editors' contributions when they don't follow the format and guiding them even though they might disappear the next day after the warmest welcome. Sorry if I forgot to touch a subject you found important.